So, unlike the Serpa holster debate, Im a believer that there is more going on than meets the eye with the P320 and is exactly why I refrained from buying one, why I still wont own one, and why I steer people away from it. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? The same should hold true for the insane marketing of pistols like the totally unsafe Glock. SIG P320s were just the start and the P365 isnt far behind. Dude, your story is THREE years old. The suit mirrors lawsuits filed across the country involving the semi-automatic gun known as the P320. Glocks biggest problem is they havent innovated since 1985. 35446 Views 56 Replies 41 Participants Last post by tirod, Sep 1, 2021. The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. The military has found that the pistol has a tendency to eject live rounds among other issues. The P320 pistol is a dog. And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? He probably had a double until it was over. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. In a world of "innovative" guns, this truly is an innovated design and a step in the right direction for the future of pistols. Dont care for them, not my jam. There was no holster involved. Some of the plaintiffs claim the pistol can fire without the trigger even being touched. LOL! Miraculously, no one was hit by the bullet, which ricocheted around inside the vehicle. TTAG talked to Bagnell, who told us that he wants it to be known that he is not anti-gun and doesnt want to see more gun control laws in this country. Result: Sig P320 goes off when dropped and shoots people. This guy had been working at the LGS for over a decade and never had an AD or ND, he was the strictest when it came to safety. These suits allege that their ultra-popular P320 pistol can fire without the trigger being pulled. They've also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. Im a Kirk guy, a Shatner Kirk guy. SIG ultimately settled that lawsuit. Theyre cheering for a noose around their own precious Glocks throat. TidalWave Professional Aug 25, 2021 #17 Bassbob said: Somehow I seriously doubt the guns just shot themselves. hate to tell you this but most lawnmowers with the handle bar stop get tied down. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. Keep the phrase legal momentum in mind. The Glocks lack of a manual safety has caused untold thousands of needless cripplings and death. As they should. This gun had been voluntary upgraded. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. They wouldnt have adopted it if was. The one officer in the ABC story had it wrapped in a rag in his gym bag? So the tally goes against the surrounding area, not against the gun free zone. Unless they have to fire their weapon in an on-duty incident most officers only fire their weapons just before and/or at qualifications, which depending on the department are annual or semi-annual. The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. The fact is that the plaintiffs will get paid regardless of who did what. is the manual safety a kit you add? A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. Being highly trained doesnt eliminate stupidity. LEO handguns get into struggles, they get laid and rolled on, they get smacked into vehicles/doorways, they get dropped, they get drawn and holstered way more often than their civilian counterparts. Great job, this threat needed some levity! Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer and injured a director with a prop gun on the set of the film "Rust" and the distraught actor repeatedly asked afterwards why he . Canadas highly-trained counterterrorism force, JTF-2, is the only military unit with the SIG P320 in its inventory right now. I agree that Glock is sitting on their laurels and has been for decades. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. You would have to conclude theres a problem with the product, not with the people., In the Nightline version, Bagnell says, Firearms are not subject to federal regulation. They suck and Im awesome!, 2. It somehow moved to the hinges of the desk. Zero in the affirmative. Stupid marine, cop, citizen, its their fault. Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! But this time, the sound bites used were different. Once word of that got out there was an avalanche of sexual harassment lawsuits against Fox news. The details are not out yet, but they use Glocks, and I will make a good bet that her trigger finger did the deed. When he put his hand on the grip, the weapon fired, according to the lawsuit. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. there is no better. The pictures on the internet were enough to scare the shit out of you especially his wound in the thigh. Jeff Bagnell, a lawyer in Westport, Conn., who has litigated 10 cases, mostly by commercial gun owners, related to SIG P320 misfires across several U.S. states, took note of the accident involving the Canadian special forces soldier. Clients such as law enforcement officers whose negligent discharges could result in their being disciplined or fired unless it can be proven that the gun was at fault. Again, these are examples the plaintiff in this case is using to support his claim that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging By Tom Knighton | 11:30 AM on October 30, 2021 AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast Several years ago, there was an issue discovered with the. If it were a lowered tier manufacturer like a Taurus having allegations made against them, people would run with it without thinking twice. how do I get one for my P320? Still waiting. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. The claimed mode of failure was that the tab on the drop safety that interferes with the striker movement had been sheered off and stopped being a drop safety. With the redesign, you would have to implement a LOT of force to move the trigger backwards. Just 3 days ago, a Florida Corrections recruit killed herself by a negligent discharge during firearms training. In the case of the 320, lightning is striking the same place an awful lot. One hell of a conspiracy. Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. ABCs own hired consultant, who appears to have no dog in these fights, asserted that he could find no reasonable explanation for these claims and that he considers the upgraded P320 pistols safe for sale to law enforcement and the public. Not too long after they sold a pistol to the public and United States military thats not even DROP SAFE?!? 00:03. Thats the same. Its a novelty, its got issues! What exactly did Harrison mean by legal momentum? That isnt clear, but its easy to make an educated guess. ! only reveals ones immature emotional attachment to an inanimate object, which reveals a pretty childish worldview. Where is that defect now? The thing I hate is getting kicked around! The problem is non-existent. Were not saying that the suits against GLOCK are any more (or less) substantiated than those against SIG. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. But hey, in ruthless, lawless, Capitalvania were life is considered cheap and expendable no one gives a shit, especially the Far Right that screams about abortions and then kills off the children that were not aborted with loaded guns laying around the house. Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? Guess it hasnt dawned on them that: 1. They didnt see a problem at all and in fact, saw it as an upgrade over Glock. How many times does a pistol have to malfunction before you blame it? Im more of a DS9 guy. Canadian soldier. I sold that pistol when I got it back. But as Officer Hilton says, There is no way anything could have gotten into my purseinto the trigger guard and pulled that trigger., This ABC report includes an interview with Joshua Harrison, a firearms expert hired by the network to examine the P320s design and give his opinion of its safety. Combine this with the complacency that comes with handling a firearm over-and-over again as you holster and unholster a firearm throughout the day, its not surprising that many of these officers are saying it just went off as a negligent discharge can cost them their job if it lead to serious injury or property damage. No Warp core, just a quantum singularity, The engine was basically a dorm fridge. Oh, if you another thread reader asking Wheres the Sig/Glock bashing? Ron, Notify me of follow-up comments by email. None of the current lawsuits appear to be in any way related to the now-fixed drop safety issue and most, if not all of the allegations seem to involve upgraded pistols or those produced after the drop safety problem was identified by SIG. Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. You arent a gunfighter, either. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM I also have a manual safety. Going on Sigs reputation I bought a P320. It alleges that Walter Collette, Jr., a police officer with the Somerville (Mass.) The list is long proving gun manufactures were well aware of this problem now for 121 years yet they abandoned this when the Glock infested the gun market. In this version, Bridge City Officer Brittany Hilton tells her story of what she says happened when her P320 discharged as she was carrying it in her purse in what appears to be a SERPA holster (which has had its own problems, but thats another story). Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. It upgraded its P320 pistols in October 2018, before the middle school incident, spokeswoman Amanda. The bullet struck a soldier in the leg. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. TAMPA, Fla., July 27, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- A 30-year veteran law enforcement officer with the Tampa Police Department (TPD) today filed a lawsuit against Sig Sauer, Inc., the maker of his. Either one could have been a gun or a Barbie. Back in 2017, SIG instituted a voluntary upgrade program to replace the original production triggers with new enhanced triggers designed to fix the issue that we and others observed when the pistols were dropped onto hard surfaces. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. If its not legal momentum, it would have to be some other mechanism of failure.. PDs are dropping them from contracts. I continue to bet my life on them. While this incident occurred months ago, this erroneous media report is driven by multiple sources, including our competitors, and coincides with the imminent release of other Canadian military and law enforcement tenders, indicating the timing of its release is an attempt to improperly influence the procurements, the statement said. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. The Moron engineer who decided to put that on the Glock should have been hung by his dirty balls. They have similar vertical sear engagement, but the M&P has more engagement width wise. I wont argue theyre wrong, I dont own one, dont want to. The heads up testing was immediately finished the Sig was the winner. If they recruit smart cops, they wont have cops who will act against their political opponents outside of the constitution. Posts: 21156 | Registered: November 05, 2003. I dont care about the upgrade that should never happen. in 2021," Bagnell said of the overall scope of the concern . Thinking its okay to wrap a loaded gun in a towel and toss it into a gym bag is what we get when departments refuse to hire candidates who score too high on IQ tests. The truth is the absolute WORST semi-autos that Sig, H&K, Walther, Beretta or Glock makes today are more reliable than the best semi-autos made 40 years ago, by far. Yes, conspiracy to defraud is a thing when ones @ss is on the line. Before the madness SIGS were expensive. Infact you have to pay shipping cost to get that fixed even though its their screw up. Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. You have entered an incorrect email address! . It sure wasnt her fault though, because she was flooring the.