Barrel is Chromemoly Vanadium, Melonite coated inside and out, 1:8 twist and a NATO chamber. Im a Marine infantry combat vet. Its a possibility now days; of course, the blame will be placed on Global Warming. Savage Arms is another major gun manufacturer that didn't have an AR rifle in its product line until recently. The Saint seriesevery variation in the lineuphas engineering ideas and specific parts incorporated to ramp up these guns to what "we," custom builders, have been incorporating for years now. Is the Saint Victor worth the extra cost? Symptoms of excessive pressure are well known: extraction and/or feeding issues and general battering of the gun and its cartridge cases. I am interested in purchasing a Glock in 40 caliber. I've heard these rumors also but can't find any basis for them, it also doesn't make sense since Springfield has a major US manufacturing plant and import laws on rifles would make outside production difficult and costly. I'm leaning toward the Ruger..I like the fact ,that with any of them, you can modify/add options easily. The main difference that I noticed without taking them apart is that the AR-556's stock looks nicer (as much as a featureless stock can), but the Saint's stock has a slot for an extra magazine built in. Please let others know they too can trust SurvivalBlog for the most reliable and practical survival information by voting for SurvivalBlog on topprepperwebsites.com. He began SurvivalBlog in 2005. Sorry Mr Rawles and everyone, for going off half cocked. Springfield Saint 5.56 vs Smith M&P Sport II vs. Colt LE6920 - AR15.COM AR-15 AR Basics Site Notices NEW Releases from Tactical Night Vision / Night Goggles and other Shot Show Products Coming! Id prefer brass over steel any day, but Ill take what I can find at this point. I added some things to it nothing great. reasonable price, though some are out of stock. Receiver: Type III Hard Coat Anodized Aircraft Grade 7075 T6 Aluminum, Since purchasing, I have outfitted my Saint with a. addition to a great rifle, you also get an awesome hard case. Take 1,000 rounds and go to a good defensive rifle class. #1. You may know Springfield from their famed M1A rifles and 1911s both good signs of a quality arms company. The Ruger was matching the Springfield in this respect with this ammo. It's a very accurate rifle, has run 100% and is a great way to ease into the addiction. Having goats and chickens we attract lots of predators. If you find a reloader whos willing to sell expect to pay full retail if not more because hes not making any money doing it. look for the small Search Box on the upper right hand of the page. I am getting into the AR market and want to get the best for my money. When it came to the Ruger, I like that it is a basic no-frills AR carbine, and it felt great in my hands, and when I shouldered it. Press J to jump to the feed. Jul 2, 2017 ROBERT @ OKC USA [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_gYo8_DsRc"] [/URL] He who questions much learns much. From my own personal observation guns and ammo are very scarce right now. 150 plus days of rioting in Portland Or, businesses being damaged and burned down in Minn, New York, L.A and other large cities. 03-28-2022, 08:38 AM #2 BuckyTownsend Senior Member Join Date Jan 2017 Posts 2,013 save your money, do the research, and then assemble what you want from individual components. The police are being told to stand-down in many places, and allow these people to throw rocks, bottles, and fireworks at them. I have owned and shot all different brands over the years and they all shoot pretty much the same and theyre all (as far as I know) made from 7075 T6 aluminum and except for a few differences they probably use the same CNC program. M-lock freefloat rail, and a really nice trigger. It may help to offer him brass you dont need or lead if hes a caster. There are things some shooters will want. If it can put a nice gun together for 500-600 that will be a great gun. Im so happy with it i dont feel the need for a better 5.56 rifle and ive had it for several years. When you find a different stock you prefer, swap it out. While my mom might think differently, purchasing the Saint was a great choice because of its great value and many other great features. You can now buy the Free Float Handguard version, the Lightweight Edge, or Pistol with SB Tactical Brace and 7.5 barrel! Tucson gun stores are still getting ARs and AK types and the prices are still somewhat reasonable. Springfield Armory. Fixed it means all the issues we (and me very loudly) have identified have been incorporated by Springfield Armory. Let us know in the comments below. If you dont reload or cast bullets see if you have a friend or neighbor who does and see if he or she does calibers you need. The two most easily spotted differences between the original AR-556 and the MPR are barrel length and the handguard. Am just expressing my thoughts as of now. Ive noticed 9mm steel case is more readily available, at least online. and polished trigger itll probably cost you another 75 bucks. And, like Springfield, SIG is selling a lifestyle as much as a rifle with the Tread. Got the desert tan one, brand new in 2017. window.PixleeAsyncInit = function() {Pixlee.init({apiKey:"D9gKCa4iiyIe5iWAbR33"});Pixlee.addSimpleWidget({lightbox:true, widgetId:2096912});}; Back to the start: Springfield Armory chose a good build sheet for the Saint. Would instead recommend OP buy a complete upper and lower from Aero Precision and slap 'em together. He is also a retreat consultant specializing in off-grid living, rural relocation, and survival preparedness. Ruger seems to have a nicer barrel and bolt aslt assembly but maybe not as durable of an outer finish. They both have different furniture though, and that means something to many people we have our preferences, of course. I was wondering if anyone could offer some insight as to which rifle I should opt for, even if it's something totally different. Upon first uncasing my new love, I took special attention to how durable the Saint looked and felt. It's perfect for sporting or home defense with high reliability and some furniture and trigger upgrades that set it apart from other budget AR-15s. Weve got a dedicated section for the AR-15 here. Get a lower, parts kit, fixed stock, upper you want and featureless grip. For a firearm chambered in a rifle caliber, that is shockingly short, especially when you consider the first 2.26 inches or so is the chamber. Ruger AR-556 MPR 6. I would get the Ruger if you had to buy a complete rifle just because its cheaper. It means that they are all what they should be. Is it necessary? Welcome to the forum, shame your first post has to be a problem with the Saint. My JP rifle that was 3 times the price has experienced the same thing. After five rounds I gave up. Having a good bit of experience with many types of military firearms, I am an AK/SKS guy by default, having fallen in love, so to speak, with them in Vietnam. For my accuracy testing, I loaded the mags with three rounds each, of the following ammo from Black Hills: 62-gr Barnes TSX, 69-gr Matchking, 55-gr Barnes TSX and 60-gr V-Max and 40-gr Hornady V-Max ammosome of the best of the best, when it comes to accuracy testing so, both guns were fed the exact same ammo. Find systems, replacement filters, parts and more here. I only shoot that ammo in my SKS. My thought would be to use the 556 for target and 300 defense. A reliable carbine-length direct gas impingement operating system nicely complements this SAINT's abbreviated architecture. Moyie Springs, Idaho 83845. So I'm looking to get an AR15 and have come across 2 main guns that I've been considering, the Ruger AR-556 MPR and the Springfield Saint Victor. Without factoring in their prices, we have to get into the nitty-gritty to differentiate these carbines. The first 30 rounds went through with no problem- Used the new PMAG-30 I bought separately. All Saints feature the same forged upper and lower receivers marked "MULTI-CALIBER". I've fired a couple of Ruger and S&W AR rifles and thought they were good. And, if you want to make some changes to personalize either of these guns, you have a perfect base to start from. &, [The money quote from the article] And by the time your done youll have nothing but rocks in your pocket if you keep her in the fun mode. Is free float preferable? Years ago, uncle Sam showed me how to shoot first an M1, then the M14, then the AR, but because of the shortage, Ive gone from a .30 to a 223/556, then to a .22 [rimfire]. Feels absolutely fantastic in the hand. It is the same damn rifle, and not just the furniture. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. I am a vet, but the last long gun I fired with any regularity, was my M16A2 in 1990. But I also know that some guns wont shoot steel case ammo very well, example: In 7.6239, SKS and AKs will while Ruger Mini 30 wont. A good article, especially for the people who arent into the ar shooting platform but are looking to get into one ( or two ). All Deals; Today; Categories . However, for the people who have recently come to this mindset, I would recommend that if you cant get a good one get a mediocre one, if not that, get a used one or a franken-stoner. An 80% polymer lower with a bunch of random, mass produced parts is going to be better than nothing. Yet, fellow gunners at the range seem to look down on it. I'm new to the AR type guns and have read a bunch on each of these. I do know the Ruger is good. Just my two cents. Didn't want to overheat a new gun- Not sure if it matters but seems like it was a good idea to take it east the first hundred or so rounds. Good article and anyone would be well served to own either one of these weapons. I've seen ARs with standard handguards shoot 1 MOA with hand loads, and that's 10 shot groups, not the bullsh*t 3 shot group internet commandos love to go by. The MPR's 16-inch barrel has a 1:8 twist. If you already have one, you might think about getting a couple more to pass on to your grandchildren. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Glock lists five different pistols in .40: the G22, G 23, G 24, G27, G35. Of course, as I mentioned at the onset of this article, no matter how hard to try to not be biased in this sort of article, you will always like one gun over another for many different reasons. Good article, people need basic firearms. I just cant pretend that it wouldnt be. Notify Me When Available. I don't like a carbine length gas system on a 16" barrel and the Ruger has that, not sure about the Springfield. M&P barrel - 1:9 twist. In Stock. I do admit I was a bit jealous, but a few cans of spray paint cured my jealousy. Ruger MPR vs Springfield Saint Victor ? The heat plate inside the barrel grip smoked a little after the first 30 shots so I took it a little slower- I am sure it was just the newness burning off and the heat plate getting "seasoned". Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Since I bought mine, Springfield has turned the original Saint into its own line. If it gets any worse, Ill have to dig out my old slingshot. Both guns have a barrel that is slightly over 16-inches long and have a 1:8 twist, so they can handle some heavy bullet weights. 's blog. If you're talking about past politics then Ruger isn't any better than SA. My single complaint is the word saint being so huge on the mag well, lol. Note: There is a sizable model-option list across the whole Saint line, and Im going to focus primarily on the basic carbine, simply called the Saint. However, my biases might have come through in this piece, and I liked one a little bit more than the other but no matter what it is a personal preference, and you have to make up your own mind as to which gun is better for you. Keep trying to build that ammo supply and may God bless us all. I think I'm going to get an ambi safety and a Juggernaut Tactical thumb rest to go with it. I read an article about it a month or two ago but I can't remember now. The Ruger AR-556 has a cold hammer-forged barrel that a Sport II does not have. Springfield Armory is embarking on a bit of a corporate re-branding. For the price of each of them and the quality of parts and reliability all considered. I also added a BCM Vertical Foregrip, because why not. Bravo Company furniture all around. Can a rifle be reliable, accurate, If you have access to a firing range with guns for rent, I would, Receiver: Type III Hard Coat Anodized Aircraft Grade 7075 T6 Aluminum Flat Top, Barrel: 16 Chrome Moly Vanadium, 1:8 RH Twist, Melonite, Gas System: Direct Impingement Mid-Length. To Charles K ..I stocked up on steel case 9mm during obama yearsI have shot it in glocks M &Ps,hi powers,uzi, signever a problem at all with any..some say not good for the gunsbut now there is no choice and I am glad to have it way better than nothing. I wont go into any more of the specs on these two guns, you can read all of it on the respective web sites for yourself www.ruger.com and www.springfield-armory.com and it is well worth the time to read all this information for yourself. People that say this gun is junk crack me up !! The problem is ammunition. And, when they are actually allowed to make an arrest, many times it is for disorderly conduct. Took it to the range Sunday. Those were very depressing scenarios and one that hopefully most readers of this site will take heed and stockpile as much as possible for what may come- especially if the Biden/Harris team and their nefarious minions have their day. When I think of factory-built premium AR-15s, my first thought is Wilson Combat. Click below for a FREE LESSON! I currently own a Diamondack DB15 7.5 inch and the ATI OMNI Hybrid 7.5 inch..I was wondering if youd do a review of the ATI OMNI? Required fields are marked *. Just read a head line someplace else Bidens inauguration theme will be America United Really!! **** For those who care less about the numbers and more about the overall review, Ill sum up the key points you should know before possibly purchasing a Saint. When the Saint hit the stores I could not wait to get my hands on I own some Springfield firearms and was excited but because they had not put out such a firearm I decided to wait for a year and see the reviews and until today 2018 February 14th I heard it's still a piece of junk I live here in Nevada where you can shoot before you buy and found it few of the stores do not even allow you to shoot the saint and when I finally did it did exactly what everyone said it jammed every 15 rounds I always see these massive reviews about junk Glocks the junk vp9 and now the junk saint I believe that the people riding these reviews are either being paid by the big companies or have never actually done any real hands on reviews of the Firearms they're talking about going out to the range and shoot in your 10-round magazine does not make it an excellent or superb or reliable firearm so once again do yourself a favor drop a Sig and let me know how it goes. I once was shooting my OWN reloads in a revolver. During my research, these are the other entry level AR-15s I considered. Right now in my life it just makes more sense to buy a complete one. Something I loved about the Saint before I even bought it was the option to customize. When the L Stal asked Nancy why she was such an a obstructionist in getting legislation passed, she turned it around and blamed the republicans for being the obstructionists and causing all the trouble and problems. Sent it in. So, dont wait. Also price. I have not had any problems with it. I didnt see much sense in sending more hard to get, and expensive .223 ammo downrange for this side-by-side test article. The rifles are very comparable, the companies are not. They'll not only end up with a nicer 4150 steel barrel from Ballistic Advantage, but they can drop in whatever BCG and charging handle they want from a number of reputable companies out there. Both are comparable in price, but I prefer my Ruger. Very reliable weapon. The combination of the mid-length gas system and the heavy buffer make a Saint very soft shooting. Nice ar, wished it worked out of the box like my 3 other ars. The Springfield, I like the mid-length gas system and handguard really thought I wasnt going to like the skinny handguard I was 100% wrong on this. Dont talk to me about price when your life may be on the line. Further, and always near the top of my list for a carbine build, is an H-weight tungsten buffer that comes standard on a Saint. trigger but made with better fitting and tolerances for a 5 pound Crisp pull. Components are definitely the issue. Brass, powder, primers and bullets have increased the expense comparable to factory and higher in most cases. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Ive got plenty of components for us but it is finite. Ruger AR-556 M4-Style Direct Impingment MSR 223/5.56 8502. vs. Palmetto State Armory PA-15 223/5.56 46637. It's a fine, solid rifle, but for the cost, you get a lot more features (free float, rifle gas system, full length top pic rail) for LESS money than a Saint. The Ruger has a skinny, polymer handguard, and standard M4 telescoping stock. guns & I got a Vortex Strike Fire 3 and shes dead nuts on at 100 yards and more. Is there a 9mm handgun that shoots steel case ammo well? You may know Springfield from their famed M1A rifles and 1911s . Gray, we may end up taking a lot of lessons from the Jewish settlers as Christians and Christian values come under more and more attack from the left. Look to http://www.gunbroker.com or http://www.armslist.com for expensive but available ammunition. Finally got in touch by phone. The gun has some great features including an M-LOK aluminum free-float handguard with patent-pending Springfield locking tabs for unlimited customization. I didnt expect any and didnt have any problems and the barrels on both guns were very hot after 90 rounds down range. And, to be sure, both of these ARs are the basic entry-level ARs being offered by these two fine companies. & Hmm, this must be how Biden is calling for America United to be united. The new USASOC contract gun, the URG-I, which I reviewed in these pages a while back, also made use of the mid-length. I highly recommend. And, with a Democrat majority in both the House and Senate (with Kommie-lala Harris to break any tie votes) if Biden is seated then you can pretty much kiss new AR production good-bye. It works. I contacted Springfield and they said they do change some things. Learn the 3 most popular shooting stances & more. Springfield Armory Saint AR-15 Flip Up Front 5.56mm NATO 16in Black Semi Automatic Modern Sporting Rifle - 30+1 Rounds - The SAINT's flat top design is optics ready and includes a flip-up rear aperture sight and fixed A2-style front. Also before California makes getting one more difficult than it already is. If it doesnt feed reliability, it can be fixed, improved later. Rifle Kits from Del-Ton, Inc. The Ruger retails for $799 however, I saw one distributor selling them for $850 again, this was a distributor, selling to FFL dealers. When I tried the G22 again, and with skills gained, really liked the G22 (which SIL kept) for accuracy and magazine capacity. I was very happy to find it for sale. There is no complete trust in even US made ammo but that is who I trust the most. $1,249.99. The Saint Edge models start at $1,300. How do define a good AR15? One is a through and through American firearms company with excellent customer service.

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