I think the film supports it by not having Bob Taylor or the girls talk either. How do you know the Birchs house is Alexs old house? Its too easy to say Oh, well, they were completely messed up because of their own abductions when they were kids! And as you said yourself the whole plot development depends a bit too much on the fact that neither Alex nor Taylor are willing to talk about their experiences. Did Hollys husband have more dirt on the priest that could have gotten him in more trouble? Yeah, Regrading Alex, I guess theres still a lot thats up in the air. This house is the same as the one alex was parked at the day of the girls abduction. Theres something being said in this collision between civilization and nature, Christianity and the Old Gods.. Theres an FBI book about a serial abductor who was obsessed with mazes. But then he remembers he had been at Holly Joness house and puts 2 and 2 together. A maze without an exit. We only learn that the items have been bought. But, yeah, seems to be one of those suspension of disbelief things that has become implicit to the whole artistic form. The other maze to be found would be that; Holly drugs her victims with a concoction that may have LSD or similarthe fbi book refers to this and she does as well, when talking to and then forcing Keller to drink. We know the girls were interested in the van. As mentioned before, we have a character named Grace. Filming & Production Hi, Chirs. Official Sites Youre absolutely right. I get thinking Alex not talking is weird/problematic. But if the kid WAS named Alex, I think Barry/Alex is saying that when he was a kid, the Joneses lured him to their house by asking if Barry wanted to play with their son. I was confused when Alex said that he was waiting for a man to come back and he never did. He is not the all-knowing, all powerful saviour. Franklin, Joys dad, objects to Kellers treatment of Alex, but participates for a time because he feels he has no other option if he wants to get his daughter back. If you have more questions, check out the rest of our movie guide for Prisoners. Also, the first time we see the girls outside theyre wearing gloves. Commenting on the arrest, Police Chief Julian Fantino made an angry plea to government to set up a DNA bank for all software developers. Alex spends most nights sleeping in the RV and does not have many things. Bob Taylor didnt have the opportunity. Prisoners Possible, but as a main oremise it seems a bit thin. Bob Taylor hears about the girls gone missing and plays kidnapper by doing weird stuff like showing up at the vigil and stealing clothes and burying mannequins in his yard (. Spiritual imprisonment: Holly and her husband found it impossible to move beyond their belief God had wronged them. I think they were just going to notify her that he was found. Yeah, it seems thats the case. But theres a common association with a snake eating its own tail, also known as the Ouroboros. Thats usually associated with the idea of the endless loop. It had happened in broad daylight, in the Junction Triangle neighborhood in west Toronto, and detectives would find out later there were witnesses. Holly Deane-Jones lived in cell with 120 women A convicted drug trafficker who spent years in a Thailand jail has opened up on her time sharing a cell with 120 other women and eating food with. Prisoners puts that concept onto how people struggle to work through and escape from their traumas. Joy and Anna leave the Birchs to find Annas missing whistle. 100 Belmont-Mt. Though Keller was having a most difficult time thinking and behaving Christian or Christ-like, their never was a scene where he cursed God or threw away his cross. Watching the movie for the first time, I noticed that Loki was also non-communicative at times, especially around the parents. And is still stuck in it, so to speak. Thats the only way he can communicate to Loki where the girls might be, what happened to him, etc. I thought that was a major clue about the protagonist Keller Dover but at the end of the movie it seems to be a complete coincidence. In the Bible the snake is definitely associated with temptation. Hobby Really appreciate the comment. My guess is he's been blowing the whistle for days without anybody being able to hear him during the excavation. Replace the fridge with the old car. (But is also comes from the old Scandinavian meaning a ravine, gap, gorge, or a crevasse between cliffs. The French, Celtics, and Gauls all had similar versions of the word (Douvres, Dubrs, and Dubris, respectively) and all meant water as well. This kind of internal instructional clue is something that didnt really exist until the 20th century and the rise of modernism and post-modernism. Suspect Arrested in Holly Jones Murder. I am impressed by how you have dissected each and every detail down to the meaning of the characters names. Devoid of humor, just not especially real. I thought that Holly was the best performance, a bit melodramatic, but very creepy and a smooth transition from Auntie to Killer. Weve already discussed the importance of trees in pagan religions. By visiting his former home, he must remember a time before he was entrapped! People need people and people need grace. If God caused them to loose their faith in this way, they will play God and cause others to loose their faith in this way too. Popular depiction has Loki as a trickster. He responds by shooting her in the head, killing the kidnapper for good. Blaming God for not saving him, they "waged a war with God" and sought to make others feel their pain. There are characters named Grace and Joy. When Loki finds the body in the priests basement, the priest/father explains the man came to confess and spoke proudly about killing 16 children. Damn, its such a good movie. Other than that, enjoy Villains Wiki!!! Bob somehow escaped, but the memories kept him from telling the police. With all the opportunity to gush to the police about what happenedhe stays silent. I am very much amazed with the way you see things about the movie and the way you tell them.Just wanted to say thank you. And while Alex may have initially had innocent intentions with Anna and Joy, to pretend he was a child again, free from the burden of his theft, he had to have known bringing them back to Holly wouldnt end well. Maybe all of this is in reference to him being the best detective they have and always is able to close the case. They move the car. Imitates kidnapping children. He needs grace and so does Lokihe relies heavy on his ability to observe and pay attention to details. Thanks again! And then refuses to reveal anything to Keller, despite the constant torture, despite Kellers utter desperation and desolation. He seemed very alive at the rescue, yelling for help. Leo also requested the props assistants to avoid cleaning her glasses after each day's shooting. I didnt find any particularly bad the way you did. Of any filmmaker ever, hes the biggest beneficiary of audiences not caring about little infuriating logic inconsistencies. 2 weeks? Join Facebook to connect with Holly Jones and others you may know. Anna's father Keller is however convinced that Alex is the culprit, and soon takes him hostage, torturing him for information. Child abuseDruggingKidnappingMurderTorture How did he get to Hollys house? Due to a law passed in 1997, we also confine offenders who have been convicted of a felony in the District of Columbia. Ten-year-old Holly Jones disappears after walking her friend home in her Toronto neighbourhood. So, maybe after recalling what Annas mother said, he might be able to link that to the sound of the whistle at Hollys house and try to find Keller. And the hidden basement with the hole in the ground. Thats really interesting. Its an unsolvable puzzle. Or the sum of other religions being in service to the Christian God? It could also explain that Alex could not respond until days into his captivity, finally giving him a break in this regular prescription as he regained a scrap of his ability to think. My question is when Loki found Keller tortureing Alex, why wasnt he taken to the police station? All he would have been able to see is Holly crouching over the girl. The big issue every character has is with acceptance. How do we have faith in the face of bad events? Ill watch again with a fresh mind. Regarding Alex. It is the key that ties the entire movie together. Characters pray. Its pretty well-known that the victims of abuse are prone to abusing others. Im pretty sure it was Keller. Holly bedroht ihn jedoch mit einer Waffe und sperrt ihn in ein unterirdisches Loch . And it never really changed. Also loved seeing ppl comment on this masterpiece of a movie from so long ago. Let an old woman finish injection: He walked into the room after she had started the injection. What happened to Alex after Loki found him? The Monkey and Rooster zodiac signs, which Jake discusses with the waitress foreshadow the character traits of Jake (Loki) and Hugh (Keller). Martin Luther No text message will ever replace the first kiss. He isnt innocent here. Not sure how much I buy into it, but its an example. And we have a character named Loki. about what happened to these girls and you DONT TELL US, YOUR AUNT WILL GO TO JAIL too. Hes essentially frozen by cognitive dissonance. I've heard that the Prison is actually closing down. Psychological imprisonment: Alex and Bob Taylor both suffer from the trauma of their kidnapping. That kind of foreshadowing is done for a reason. Its Hollys husband, and hes wearing the same maze necklace as the mysterious body from the basement. The list of things that Buddy did before anyone else is long. Thanks for the thoughts. The exact opposite of what you would expect him to do based on what you know about his religion. But Im pretty sure she wasnt leaving the house much anymore and wouldnt like Alex going to see his old house. Hi Chris and everyone who has commented. This explanation also doesnt hold together. The fastest growing independent movie & tv news website! 17:11), 4. And theres a contrast to how their trauma expresses itself. Seem to climb to make headway and then slide down again but eventually someone wins the game each time played unless game abandoned. Hundreds of Oklahoma inmates left prison Monday before their original sentences were over. Loki saw Anna wearing the whistle at the hospital so he asked Grace if she found it, but Grace told him that Anna kept insisting that Joy helped her finding the whistle before they were kidnapped but Grace thought she was just confused so she bought her a new one. Before you trash this post, and think Im a nut case, please view the first 5 minuets of my video. Again, I appreciate your review. He doesnt have the practical personality to do whatever it takes for a certain resultthats not bad, but in this situation, it makes things complicated. Alex might have just been referring to Hollys husband who did go missing and who Holly and Alex were both wondering if hed ever come back. He was subsequently killed by the priest, who threw the body into the church's basement. Holly Marie is alive and well and living in Oklahoma, after a family adopted her as a baby. All as a best imitation of his abductors. Holly secretly pulls out a pistol and begins shooting at Loki, who panics and manages to move our the way. You did an amazing job! I could see that. and feels all is well in my life. But, at this point, you know better than to think its coincidence, right? Then you will see that what Im saying is absolutely true. Explore holly jones's 396 photos on Flickr! The body is beyond recognition, but there is a necklace of a maze. Hey Craig! What a coincidence that the character with that name ends the movie in a hole in the ground?! Grace completely falls apart in the wake of Annas disappearance, to the point of being non-functioning. Thats why all Alex can eventually muster, even when its his life on the line, is, Theyre in the maze.. The van is clean, but the forensic guy does say that if there was a struggle they would have found some fibers. Detective Loki goes to see Alex's aunt, Holly Jones (Melissa Leo), who raised him with his uncle after his parents died when he was six. And now he kind of re-creates this moment. On May 12, 2003, while walking a friend home, she was kidnapped, sexually assaulted, and strangled by Michael Briere. This, to me is where the whistle provides significant symbolism. In addition to her legislative duties, Jones works as the Business Manager for Renz Law LLC. Loki doesnt have a last name, but we know the meaning of his first name. Holly Jones ( Source : wordpress ) After walking a classmate home from school, Holly Jones was kidnapped in her neighborhood. Three years later, as he was serving a 23-year prison sentence at the United States Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., Jones failed to report for a prison check after working in a . How did the FBI agent know about the mazes?? A lot of hot-headed guys losing their minds and screwing things up in this movie. Right now, still leaning to it being Hollys deceased kid. Loved your summary and analysis! I just noticed something interesting. But again, wow! Keller keeps Alex in a box thats similar to a confessional box. Yet he still lives with Holly. And the imprisoned Alex Jones eventually tells his captor that the girls are, In the maze.. Anyway just brilliant write up. It would add some nuance to Dovers backstory. I love it that youre so active in the comments and engaging with readers, it encourages me (and hopefully other readers) to revisit movies with new perspectives in mind and discuss further. My question is who is the person that Joy sees in her flashback? So yea great movie that kind of blew the ending which I mean it doesnt mean much and maybe it isnt meant to be definitive. They said specifically that the DNA and dental records came back with no match. He needs someone like Loki to be there at the right place and time! Holly and her husband, who used to be fundamentalist believers, might have practised snake-handling as part of their faith and would have kept snakes for that purpose. That becomes enough for them to not question it. But the worst plot hole is that nobody figured out that the clothes which were found in Taylors possession were not worn by the girls at the time of their abduction. Hes thematically relevant to Prisoners but not crucial to what happens and how it happens. We expect psychos to have weird obsessions like mazes. Its a really great movie. She was portrayed by Melissa Leo, who also played Sally in Oblivion . But the important thing is that once youre aware of this motif, you can re-watch the movie and appreciate what it adds to the overall experience of Prisoners and the meaning you derive from it. By the turn into the 21st century, storytellers got pretty good at blending traditional narrative techniques with some of the more oddball ones from the modernism/post-modernism movements. I assumed that it was Bob and he was referring to when he was captured by the police in the van at the rest stop. LONG VERSION: Holly and her husband were religious zealots until their young son died of cancer. Thus, we know how long he was there. It put tape on my mouth. But in the moments before she speaks, we see Joys memory of escaping, the flashes of being in the house, on the ground, someone leaving the room, the book of mazes they had to complete, running away. Please also note the professors I have been working with at the end of this video. Which seems wrong. I actually know the answer to this! It is frustrating that we dont get some more closure though. And how could he know where the girls lived in the first place? Thank you for your insight Chris! he was there he visited Hollys home before he realized she was the kidnapper he said he was there to apologize for scaring off Alex and he came in and they talked but he left when he saw the paper saying that Bob killer himself. And on his neck, a star that probably represents some other non-Christian religion. They were scared enough to shut down and didnt move much/touch much until Alex dropped them off. My questions is- the only reason Loki is at the fathers house is because hes investigating level 3 sex offenders. Excellent insight, Jasmine! Then after Alex was let go, I think the police chief was hesitant to do anything more. Can you explain the girls flashback when she sees Keller? Hopefully youre thinking, Thats an in-road!. They accept what their instincts tell them and both end up playing the hero. Im not sure about that detail. Unfortunately, Loki doesnt know that. Though she is not suspected by the police, Alex is, as the girls were seen playing around his RV before the capture. Duration: 10m 29s. So yes, the maze stuff in Prisoners is part of the basic plot. So right there in the last names of the two main families, we see more religious references. Glad that came through for you! People cant accept freedom, they cant accept loss. We saw him hurt the dog. Holly's husband is the corpse that [] Sit in a roadway: I dont think he necessarily minded Keller seeing him. and if so, I guess its just coincidence that Hollys husband had a maze around his neck and that they left mazes in the locked room? Loved the movie and this thread, and its not like me to concentrate for two hours on a film. Their pain turns to anger at God, as such tragedy must have been His will. Christianity ties itself to notions of faith and Gods grace. Or in the movie Black Swan, a theme is duality, so we often see the main character, Nina, reflected in mirrors or windows. -Prisons (physical, emotional, mental, spiritual)-Mazes-Religion. But I think most of what you said in Prisoners is within the realm of acceptable. To the point where it becomes undeniable that one theme of Us is the cultural state of America. Alex Jones is Paul Sandow's older brother; Crimes & Criminals; Canon-Typical Violence; Implied/Referenced Sexual Assault; Alex Is A Good Brother; Alex & Loki have an unlikely partnership; Slow Burn; Tired of all the brainwashed/braindead people out thereneed to know there are people out there figuring this out like RFK jr. Alex knows where the children are, but if he wants his Aunt in jail, and therefore stopped for good, he cant tellso its complicated. For some (many?) Did anyone watch the movie? Let me know if you have thoughts. Or will Keller die in the hole Holly Jones had left him in? Motifs are repeating elements in a movie, which can be anything, from physical objects, to dialogue, to shots, to music, to concepts. 127 South Second Street 919-989-5040 . But do you know what Kellers name means? Glad you liked the movie! This is reinforced later by Joys struggles to explain what had happened to her, only able to look at Keller and say, You were there. Are they divine or circumstantial? This is such a fantastic analysis. Reporter: Heather Hiscox, from The National, December 19 and Canada Now, December 19-23, 2003. Holly's parents. Sat, 21 Jun 2003. These snake-handlers believe that God will reward their faith by making them immune to snake venom And yet their son dies of cancer. It is Villeneuve's first predominantly English-language feature (his prior ones being mainly in French). Hes burying mannequins in his yard. How do we have faith when bad things happen? Another factor here is Alexs real parents who have been prisoners of the situation basically having what should be the greatest day of their lives finding of their lost son become almost a bigger tragedy than losing him. The kidnapping stunted both young men. The main story of Prisoners is the kidnapping of two young girls. To play Holly Jones,Melissa Leowore a grey wig and a foam rubber posterior prepared by Costume DesignerRene Aprilin order to "ground" her character. Another similar piece of the puzzle which is teased to us In addition to this part of her routine was the large bottles of mysterious drink; addressed when keller is held at gunpoint and made to drink a third of the bottle. The 10-year-old girl was raped and murdered by Michael Briere, her dismembered body eventually found where the 35-year-old software developer had disposed of it, in two bags floating in Lake Ontario. I also have a question. But sometimes, by shear grace, all the good and bad complications of what people do and think come together to form a hope-filled outcome. Its almost as though his body forces him tobut during the chase to save Annas life, Loki was driving blind. Great minds, Jasper. 303 East Church Street Post Office Box 69 919-894-3616 919-894-2091 . Taylor remembered the snakes, and it was Hollys husband who had the obsession, so it makes sense that we dont see them again in the film at Hollys house. Im also a bit confused about it. Barely existing. And now Im reading your second paragraph and youre getting right into that lol. The profound trauma capable of changing the intrinsic nature of a person, their beliefs, their language. He could be Hollys husband, thats true. When I re-watch the movie again Ill keep that in mind and see how I feel about it. Some people may follow the clues and put 2 and 2 together. An in-road is a purposeful element that the writer/director includes to clue the viewer in on thematic subtext or plot mysteries. Theres no prints. If that was the case, Alexs They didnt cry until I left them wouldnt be meaningful or even logical. Rather than face the sobering realization that she may have left the protection of her family entirely on her husbands shoulders ( according to the screenplay, she drank wine and was tipsy at the Thanksgiving get-together, but he just drank milk), she would rather sleep because she loves her children and husband deeply and gladly serves what he prepares in the more safe and secure world that he is trying to create for themso its complicated. Why does a seasoned police officer with no unsolved cases stare at a suspect to the point of spooking him, or sit in a roadway blocking traffic until he draws attention himself? Also isnt the name Keller, too close to killer? I stumbled upon this essay and now cant wait to watch again.

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