Or are they treating free-willed adults as if petulant children incapable of forging their own individual perceptions, decisions, and behaviors without being fed someone elses interpretations of Christian dogma? Beards are completely banned without explicit permission from the school, and neither gender may color their hair or wear any form-fitting apparel. D.A. Isnt that what freedom means: choosing what you want to do and suffering the consequences for your actions. Those who speak and act to offend may be jackasses etc. Students are not allowed to use, purchase, share, or possess alcoholic beverages, tobacco products, or any illegal drug on or off campus. Here are private colleges that want to set Secondly, it promulgates the idea that women's bodies are shameful and ought to be covered up. College is not supposed to be your babysitter, it is a learning experience meant to prepare you for the way the world is. And students coloring their hair is definitely not banned.just unnatural colors are like a student couldnt dye their hair green for instance. What rules are they not so strict on? Clothing should not have slogans that are inconsistent with University values. Ive never had an STD, nor have I had an abortion.. in fact Ive offered to adopt 3 children at my own expense to give other women an additional option. My e-mail address is It might be time for a look at the past before blaming a school for your wifes lack of faith Just saying. They have every right to set the standards they want to set. Any and all work must not interfere with weekday prayer sessions, either. Every college and university around the world expects its students to uphold certain standards. But premarital sex, homosexuality, aligning oneself with occult religions (though the handbook never actually specifies which belief systems they consider occult), using expletives, tobacco possession or use, dancing, and working at any establishment that encourages or involves any such things apparently constitute impropriety and stand as offenses worthy of expulsion. All of these policies supposedly honor the wishes of Jesus Christ and facilitate participation in the encouraged weekend activities of door-to-door and child evangelism, working in churches, and volunteering at nursing homes. However, responsible use is not sinful, which is our primary point in this article. Admissions is fairly competitive as the Cedarville acceptance rate is 59%. As we know from history, prohibition massively failed. The biggest problem I have with the article is the lack of references to sources to support the claims that are made. I went to a Catholic University in Los Angeles and they do not have rules like that sothere. Do you think Id have argued about a college? Ten. I would strongly caution you to know he whom you so boldly challenge, and if you charge a holy God with unrighteousness, take note that it shall be accounted of in the day of your calamity. I see nothing wrong with any of those guidelines. Raffles are not even allowed as fundraiser due to their association with gambling, which is also banned. Youre a different kind of stupid. The admission office refused to release the student handbook until one signed on the dotted line, feet on campus for semester orientation and parents away from campus. I believe the answer lies with how students (like me) were raised. I imagine that most people know about the tendency of people who live in extremely sheltered and restrictive environments to go wild as soon as these restrictions are removed and they realise how much freedom they have, because they never learnt self-control. All of which are traditional dances and (in my opinion) in no way put the dancers morality and purity at risk. Everyone should look at the evidence presented and formulate their own personal opinion of the matter. 4:3. Sports is taken seriously and we do very well in the Div One level.Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow etcthese are outstanding Christian athletes/men and went to secular schoolsyou dont have to be christian and goto to a christian college to stay christian.some students like the positive atmosphere and some just like the locationeveryone has their own preference. but those who curtail their rights are guilty of stupidities. This was in Roger Rosenblatt in his essay We are Free to Be You, Me, Stupid and Dead. I dont know what they are trying to prove by stating the fact that The Passion was rated R for violence in their description. Nearly 70 percent of our undergraduates are under the legal drinking age. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Allowing dancing at any school-related function on or off campus is strictly prohibited, though students are allowed to bust a few chaste, pre-approved moves at weddings, military balls, graduation exercises, church, and family occasions provided they refrain from attending clubs, bars, or parties that allegedly lead to temptation no matter what. More information on the personal care attendant policy and other disability accommodations is available at cedarville.edu/disabilities . HONESTY One of the marks of integrity is honesty. Adding onto my last post you must have been reading a 40 year old manual when you wrote this stuff about Asbury. Penalties may include fines and/or imprisonment. 8; Gal. You arent writing truth, you are writing opinion. hahaha what a joke, and you call yourselves civilized. For instance: (1) in your room and dont come back out after 10:30pm; (2) she was 20 and we both had to get permission for her to visit my family 35 miles away, permission from her mother and from my grandmother to go to Grandmas house; (3) we had our social privileges removed for 2 weeks because she rubbed my shoulder while I was laying on the school grounds as she was sitting on the ground next to me. Perhaps they are harmful. In the introduction of this article, many questions were raised, and no answers for any of them were argued for in the main body of the text. Reviewed: 9/28/2019. Minor infractions include borrowing and not attending chapel and group devotions on a regular basis. One of my professors at UK went to my church (Southern Hills in Lexington), another of my UK professors dedicated his life to improve conditions for the poor in South America. By banning both entirely harmless things (eg violent movies) and more harmful things (eg smoking, alcohol without moderation) with the same strictness, these schools create an awful situation where students who have the intelligence and insight necessary to see that the ban on the harmless items is a load of rubbish may likewise think that the harmful things will be OK, too. -Pornography duh. In conclusion, I dont think that students are better off if they go to these schools, and I would not encourage anyone to do so. She worked a part time job, attended church, volunteered at a local organization, was on a school team and carried a course load of 15 to 19 hours while maintaining a 3.8 GPA. But controlled and responsible use of alcoholwhich Christians too often forget was how Jesus approached alcoholshould not be limited because it has the mere potential to be used irresponsibly. She said, as a Christian thats how I live my life anyway. Students are not to attend clubs or bars where alcohol is the primary feature and Students are not permitted to attend parties where alcohol is being used in a manner that violates university standards.. Use of alcohol was simply pushed underground out of regulatory bounds and resulted in the creation of a black market. To be sure, the school was known more for its strict rules back in the 1980s than for its educational prowess, and those rules were sexist (women had to wear skirts) and ridiculous (movie theatres were banned but VCRs weren't). It is for our own health and safety that these rules are in place: rules which we WILLINGLY submit to. Not sure why you find prohibition of Occult practices to be a bad thing for those attending a Christian university. You arent allowed to have any music by a contemporary artist or anything with even the slightest beat. So whats wrong with what they are doing. Since, as was noted in the introduction, it usually remains the students choice to partake of such environments, I dont think that we can disapprove of these schools on ethical or legal grounds. The specific guidelines included below are shaped by biblical principles, community preferences, and cultural expectations in terms of propriety and professionalism. Part-timers or those with special circumstances must do so on days when their classes do not begin until after noon. Students hoping to visit any friends of the opposite sex must receive permission from their families and keep it on file with the school as well. It is based on a set of core values and the Cedarville Covenant which shape each students experience at Cedarville University. The suspect in the deadly Michigan State campus shooting, who later died at a Lansing location, was a 43-year-old man, Michigan State University Interim Deputy Police Chief Chris Rozman said at a . Recap. The biblical expectation of modesty is that the conduct of both men and women, which includes but is not limited to dress, serves to enhance rather than detract from the reputation of the Gospel (1 Tim. God created happiness and laughter. Like, in this example, students deciding its very unlikely that Oral Roberts raised the dead during his ministry, which would make their college named after a liar. In addition, all students enrolled in 12 or more hours are required to attend at least one chapel event a week. That basically means being a jackass and expressing your self is better than being idiotic enough to try to stop them because of the First Amendment. Cedarville police were called to the Stevens Student Center Tuesday morning after a 911 caller reported that a male student had been stabbed. Shorts, sweatpants, and pajama pants should not be worn to class or chapel. program doesnt work for precisely this reason it doesnt teach kids that cocaine is worse than beer. They rally behind the 10 Commandments, but when asked about their own practices, they quickly throw up the New Testament. Seriously. I transferred to and a public univ and found it to be a great fit for me, realizing that everything along my journey (both good and bad) helped to make me stronger and teach me about life sono regrets. That rule ONLY applies to publicly shown movies. I assure you, not all Christian are like that. If such is the case with these schools, then it cannot be argued that they are in anyway unfair in strictly enforcing the rules. Christians not overtaken by an archaic dislike of alcohol from the 1920s can read this passage and apply it to Cedarville in this way: Students should not drink with students who are not legally allowed to do so and students should not drink too much alcohol, thereby maintaining self-control over their bodies. Because I want to go to Asbury. [emailprotected]. As for dancing it is entirely allowed. The only strict rule they have is drinking and they wont kick you out if they find out you drank. I had said I love you. and we hung up the phone. What do the students do when theyre not in classes? Im an army vet who went into humanitarian work when I left the army, honorably. All women are required to keep their skirts at knee-length or longer and receive no piercings beyond one in the earlobe. I agree strongly with Tara. But do you know which degree is still highly valuable? While some rules are debatable, yet this writer seems to think For one year, I attended a college that was, easily, as strict as any of the above. It will introduce you to our Cedarville Covenant and Community Guidelines, and it will include advice that will help you maximize your success as a university student. Furthermore, students may be dismissed if they attend a party where alcohol is present, whether or not the student makes what the University would deem wise choices by avoiding drinking. Woah this blog is great i really like reading your posts. D.A. Please reply, This is not a comment, but a request. Now on to the next part. Dancing, too, falls under extremely restrictive guidelines as well, with the school outright refusing to allow it on campus or any official functions held offsite. However, the rule only worked one way. Im not a Christian and yet I do not have pictures pasted on the internet of myself drunk and naked I dont even use Facebook or alcohol. Drinking alcohol is certainly disputed between Christians with different opinions on it, but it is not a disputed doctrine. Therefore, students are encouraged to portray servant attitudes toward Christ and other people in their dress and appearance. Carson outlines ten items that can be used to determine what constitutes a theologically disputable matterwhich Cedarville claims includes use of alcohol. Shoes should be worn in academic buildings, chapel, and the dining hall at all times. If students go from a strict household (as I suppose most of these students do) to a strict school, they will have no chance to learn true self-control. [Emphases in original.] Being used to overbearing, micro-managing or fear-based parenting, it is difficult for many kids to realize at that young age that they are actually capable of making their own decisions! These are CHRISTIAN colleges: did you expect them to accept homosexuality, occultism, and premarital sex? All mixed groups of men and women both on and off campus require the presence of a chaperone to intercede on any behaviors they deem offensive to their conservative sensibilities. Guys did not have to accept dates with interested women. Welcome to a nation who makes each individual feel entitled to make his own god based on his opinion. Getting drunk is still a sin. After dusk, mixed groups are not allowed to fraternize without chaperones because having a group of friends including males and females alike is not normal psychosocial behavior it is improper and apparently leads to premarital sex and dancing and other alleged affronts to Jesus. Sexual abuse and incest are very understandably considered a violation due to their illegality and penchant for psychological damage, but legal activities like abortion, premarital and extramarital sex (even within the confines of an open marriage), and homosexuality are held up as just as appalling. Thank you for your comment! A little bit of bleeding and discomfort is not the end of the world at PCC. Its obviously not an awesome college to go to if you dont want rules, but its not NEARLY as strict as 90 percent of the christian colleges out there. Your moral compass seems to be spinning. Neither freshmen nor sophomores are permitted to drive cars to work, either. If Jesus were alive, why wouldnt he want people to volunteer in nursing homes? Division II varsity sports with student-athletes maintaining a focus on ministry and impacting the world for Christ. I attended Asbury in the early 2000s, and I think some rules have changed since then. I walked away 15 years ago and still have not come back but there were many factors involved. Unfortunately, 1 Corinthians 8 is the famous and ever-taken-out-of-context passage used by Christians to justify substituting their convictions for Biblical truths. The Catholic Church, for example If you think that sheltering yourself in colleges such as these is a good way to prepare for the world, then youre absolutely wrong. In addition, neat jeans and flip flops are allowed in class and chapel. Academically, it was quite decent, and some professors were very open-minded. Information Technology. I respect your opinion and where its coming from. I went to the definitely not religious university of Iowa State University years ago. It was absolute bullshit, but because I had short hair( girl) I guess I wasnt godly enough They are doing more damage to the kids that have no idea what theyre getting into. Cedarvilles policy on alcohol is not founded in fact, policy, or Biblical principle. If your happy with your life, enjoy it your clearly not hurting anyone and therefore absolutely entitled to that choice; and for many that way of life makes people better. I know that not all Christian colleges and universities are this strict and can be good. Additionally, using any source (such as D.A. The Yellow Jackets compete for championships in 16 NCAA. Ive been asked so many times why I kept returning to such an oppressive environment. Access Gmail. Here are just four, from least to most problematic: Folk dancing? It is not unreasonable for them to expect the students attending a Christian college to live up to the standards lai out for them. Both my wife and I are hurt! According to the student handbook, Nearly 70% of our undergraduates are under the legal drinking age. I barely made it through a semester. Above all, we pray God would be honored by our deliberations and actions. Rather, Carson rightly points out that dispute only relates to doctrines concretely repeated throughout scripture. They completely reach into the personal lives and convictions of their students, demanding that they refrain from such so-called perversions such as premarital sex, extramarital sex (even if both parties agree to an open relationship), and homosexuality. You understand, a lot of people are hunting round for this information, you could help them greatly. Theres a long thread on the forums at home-school.com about Pensacola Christian College by a former student who thinks its a cult, and its not accredited. They claimed to preach the message of God, but in his hour of need, while he struggled with substance abuse and depression, they kicked him out of the school. These risks include, but are not limited to, physical and mental dependency, damage to the heart and lungs, and, in some cases, death. That seems a tiny bit stricter than telling Christians to come to church once or twice a week. they are legal. We call our student handbook The Cedarville Experience because it includes many of the guidelines and principles that will shape your time at Cedarville. Regardless of popular opinion, political correctness, or the ideas of major theologians, truth is always truth. It is a small institution with an enrollment of 3,540 undergraduate students. Openly homosexual students are allowed to attend classes, but they must commit themselves to the same standards of staunch chastity as their heterosexual peers. For these students, drinking is not only unwise, it is also illegal. DANCE We recognize that appropriate styles of dance can be a valuable part of art, worship, choreography, celebration, and exercise. put a sock in it. They are definitely much more lax now the girls are fine wearing pants (modesty is suggested). Just as with eating food offered to idols, as Paul discusses, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with alcohol consumption. In addition, all freshmen with jobs must consent to being chaperoned by a prayer captain or one of their assistants or an upperclassman while working. I forget to mention the school name Christian 2:1317; 1 Pet. No TEA???? Any student requiring a personal care attendant because of a physical disability is responsible for making such arrangements. God created dance. Alcohol and tobacco are forbidden even for those of age for purchase and consumption, and media intake is restricted to whatever the faculty and staff deems inoffensive. Look it up. Ballroom dancing? This is one of the major reasons stated by Dr. White himself. I was kicked out of BJU twice and finally asked to not come back to finish my JR semester. The year I spent attending Pensacola Christian College was the worse year of my life. The only Biblical justification provided in the handbook is that it is listed as a disputable matter by Paul, which we will get into later. Cedarville University is intentional about creating a Christ-centered community, rigorous in our pursuit of scholarship, and balanced in our approach to Christian lifestyle. Sex that is forbidden and secretive just makes it all the more exciting. I attended Asbury for four years, the handbook is terribly written, but the rules are not as strict as they are presented here. -Drinking, also duh, they just actually monitor it here. And in your rush to condemn schools that ban stuff that the book theyre led by tells them is wrong and sinful, you left out the worse stuff. The veritably Orwellian Florida Christian College combs through its students media collections, banning any books, movies, music, magazines, or video games it deems detrimental to Christianity. The Cedarville Experience, our student handbook, is designed to help you be successful at Cedarville University. Long before QAnon, Trump, and Anti-Vaxx, The Dry Pledge was THE Litmus Test of your Salvation. Students struggling with drug or alcohol use may obtain confidential support at Counseling Services and University Medical Services. In addition, our campus culture supports the professional development of students and allows faculty to communicate additional dress guidelines for classes that are consistent with the course objectives. Im bruised by the experience yet my wife was forever changed. If an institution dedicated to the service of Christ becomes abhorred by those who dont serve Christ, this might suggest that it is doing something right not always, just sometimes. They offer many different styles and levels of dance. Most schools understandably want their students to stay away from breaking the law or acting inconsiderately towards others but Ozark Christian College also places tight regulations on legal activities as well. Comments? Maintenance Office. 31:4; Rom. You choose to goto these places and you definately visit them and see if it fits what you want a few years of your life to be a part of. Wow, imagine that. In America, people can express their opinions and say what they want. I read the qualifications for these schools and got to thinking about it seriously. When asked why not, her response is always that she lost a lot of her motivation and dedication for faith development because of the Asbury rules you were not allowed to grow up into responsible adulthood. The university itself is also strongly anti-alcohol, arguing that consumption of alcohol is inconsistent with a Biblical lifestyle, even though Jesus drank wine and the Bible is filled with positive references to alcohol. An aquiantance who attended Bob Jones U told me that she was forced to accept an offer to go on a date with a guy she wasnt interested in because by not doing so she might miss the opportunity to meet the future mate God intended for her. -Supporting or practicing religious beliefs in line with occult (This is not entirely true. So, to be clear: Students may not eat at a brewery, alehouse, or pub even if they are just going to eat food because they can be dismissed from the University. 20:1; Prov. My daughter graduated from Asbury this year. Proverbs 29:22 may be a helpful verse in this situation. I read the comments first, and assumed that they were being prudes. Seems irrelevant to me. Cedarville University is intentional about creating a Christ-centered community, rigorous in our pursuit of scholarship, and balanced in our approach to Christian lifestyle. I have a mission that I am just now working on, and Ive been at the glance out for such information.|. I Attended LMU in Los Angeles we do to have strict rules about clothes we can wear pants So nyah nyah yah. You might want to take a closer look at everything that was going on at the time. I was there when the movie came out, and I remember some other students calling me unspiritual because I chose not to watch the movie with them. Probably a shock, but I not only know how to cook and clean, I also do the home repairs, budget,renovations, I sew and Im active with several charities, many Christian. I went to PCC in the early 80s. Students are also prohibited from recreational drug use, misusing legally prescribed medications, or using synthetic street drugs or medical marijuana. Good job elarning to sneak though. All of you commenting on this comment box are complete fools have you not forgotten what country you live in its the United States people. Submit Maintenance Work Order. Social and dance clubs as well face quite a bit of consternation. Public displays of affection beyond handholding are highly discouraged, as is fraternizing with those of the opposite sex on co-ed camping trips.

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