Very interesting. I bet they could not even remember my name. Share mutual respect and work together is the name of the game. Time to Plan for Drones in Other Domains, An Urban Warfare Experts Christmas Wish List, The MWI Top Ten: Our Most Read Articles of 2022, Frank Sobchak Joins MWI as Chair of Irregular Warfare Studies, Announcing the Modern War Institutes 202223 Senior and Research Fellows, Call for Submissions: Civil-Military Relations and Modern War, Call for Applications: MWIs 202223 Fellows Program. She has also worked as a freelance designer for local musicians and events. (3) Senior regularly assigned Army Soldier refers (in order of priority) to officers, WOs, cadets, NCOs, specialists, or privates present for duty unless they are ineligible under paragraphs 2-15 or 2-16. Now, based on personal experience, I cannot say I was comfortable at all with the USMA grad who came into Iraq (2004-06). When contracted you take the officer version of the oath as well. And cadets initiate salutes to any commissioned officer. Practice ought to comport with policy. Almost, like her husband, an officer and a lady. Is the cadet attached or assigned a leadership position? In my experience we rarely see a decent new officer come out of West Point and it's really sad. Scotts writing focuses largely on veterans issues, but he is also a big proponent of Constitutional rights and has a deep interest in politics. -If you are a cadet and you don't see the value of picking the brain of an NCO (CPL to SGM), then you will most likely be doing your time and moving on. Haha. The NCO referred me to AR 600-20, Army Command Policy, which makes it pretty clear that West Point cadets do, in fact, outrank Army NCOs. They've shown great patience, respected my process, and I am grateful for these SFCs, MSGs, and SGMs. Requirements for a USAF Aviation Cadet at the time were two years of college and passing scores on a series of IQ and skills tests such as mathematics, logic, and spatial relations. The key to success in your career is understanding the strengths and weaknesses of your key players AKA your subordinate leaders and junior Soldiers. The two year enlistment term allowed for cadets who had to temporarily halt training because of illness or injury. Subscribe to our email newsletter to receive exclusive news, updates, and concert schedules for the band. The only regularly assigned cadets are in the national guard or reserves as a SMP Cadet. It is not just West Point cadets who outrank NCO's. Im a Senior WO and I can personally attest to the height of arrogance the NCO Corps exercises today. As he worked in our platoon, we all quietly covered for him, especially when he got misoriented now and then (analog land nav isn't simple, especially when mounted) after a few months he was squared away and we taught him our secrets and he never betrayed us. I found myself going toe to toe with these junior NCOs and enlisted, but not to destroy their souls (as the NCO in me wanted to do so badly) but to talk to them and help them understand that if you treat these cadets like crap, it will be returned 10 fold in a year when they commission, hate NCOs, and are their raters. He also volunteers with local community organizations such as Higher Ground Men's Group, Men of St. Joseph, and the Most Holy Trinity Catholic Choir. We need not be concerned about the proviso of either 2-15 or 2-16 as each applies to a Soldier under certain sanctions of discipline. In the 80s I was an instructor at the ANCOC Leadership School. Everyone knows that the lowest Army private outranks the highest cadet right? AR 600-20 lists command structure. First off the reg says regularly assigned personnel, which the Cadets are not. CDT Vincent High marks! Anyway. Knights lifted their helmet to recognize they friends from enemy. Death, disability, retirement, reassignment, or absence of the commander. But Im sure he felt stung just a little bit. So I think he had it right. I have to admit that when he asked what I needed I probably got a little pleasure by responding: a cup of coffee. FOOLISH it is for there to be any antagonism between NCOs and cadets, or NCOs and lieutenants. I think that it would be a huge step in the right direction for the ROTC BNs to send their CDTs to their gaining units with an LOI/MOU pinned to their chest (Im sure ROTC has probably published guidance along those lines, but Ive never seen it) so that those commanders will have some idea what to do with those CDTs when they get there. Maj. Roderick Taylor (USAG West Point Command Sergeant Major) October 14, 2016. So you are incorrect when you say that Cadets outrank me. She earned a Bachelor of Fine Arts in graphic design from the School of Visual Arts in New York City. They clearly outrank privates and are often assigned to leadership roles, but they aren't yet commissioned. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of Speed is your friend in a convoy, never drive slower than the rest of the civilian traffic, that way when a bad guy is trying to catch up to your convoy, he sticks out big time and the rear vehicle can easily engage him. Private Industry, n Chief Readiness Flight Eielson AFB, AK In July 2001, after graduation from high school, Perez entered the United States Military Academy at West Point. I was an enlisted man and my rank at the time of my discharge in the late Summer of 1989 was Sergeant E5. West Point welcomed Command Sargent Major Michael J. Coffey as the 21st U.S. Military Academy senior enlisted leader during an assumption of responsibility ceremony Monday, August 17, 2020. So fairly similar arrangement as with cadets. I was surprised at the gate when I was saluted by the gate personnel. Its cadets like you that become true leaders, because you have put your ego in check and will EARN the respect of your troops! (I was going through a few operations connected to wound recovery). Battalion Command Sergeant Major, 1BN, 1st Regiment, USCC at United States Military Academy at West Point United States Military Academy at West Point View profile View profile badges WO1s even as appointed Officers are subject to all provisions of the UCMJ even art 33. No commission? I learned something that day. The cadet never will outrank a sergeant first class, master sergeant first sergeant sergeant major etc. A lot of people have been killed in combat because of the arrogance of westpointers. What comes after is when the real learning begins. Staff Sergeant Taylor is an accomplished composer whose works have been internationally published and performed. Because according to the Army, they outrank me, sir.. Adept been officially assigned a position in the chain of command? In flight school cadets qualified for flight pay in addition to their regular pay. Coming straight out of a college (any college) prepares you for exactly nothing. Incorrect. It's virtually guaranteed there are at least one or two SNCO in a given company qualified to take a short term command of the company. On Thursday, January 21, it was reported that the US Army launched an investigation after the unmasking of a supposedly semi-anonymous Twitter account the command sergeant major of West Point Military Academy allegedly used to criticize elected officials and former President Donald Trump. So yes, a West Point cadet DOES outrank a sergeant. No salute. My NCOs treated me with respect while I was a midshipman, but taught me what it meant. Yet I would not want a Year 1 WP cadet in charge of a company. We were enlisted in the Air Force for a two year enlistment. They won't forget what you've shown them and they will resent you. Commander Navy Region Europe, Southwest Asia, Africa, n Senior Advisor, Installation Management Kabul, Afghanistan She is the premier vocalist for the West Point Band and first sang with them at their season finale 1812 concert in 1980, at the age of 12. His approach to us was simple and he asked lots of questions about how to best kill tanks and he found that each man has their own method of how they like to do things and tactics they like or dislike and for what reasons. They aren't commissioned though, depending on the service, they are somewhere around a W1. 2014 - 2016: Command Sgt. Salute were means of communication. When a cadet has to leave the USAFA before graduation, he is assigned to a reserve unit with the rank of Airman 2C. Sometimes, XO is a way of calling the commander or a head of a department in the organization. The best way to train cadets to be officers that their soldiers will look up to and their NCOs will respect is to treat them the way you want them to act. Get off your high horse. By Command Sgt. The cadet would still have to be "Regularly Assigned". Cadet you are not a cadet when in you ng or reserve unit. You sound like you have a good head on your shoulders and as such know who and where you are able to receive the BEST mentorship and hands on experience. He has much humility and respect for all who serve and served so he will appreciate your words. For some reason a lot of angry major S3 types fall into this category. This is more or less the Armys summer intern program, where young future officers get hands-on experience as a kind of third lieutenant, under the tutelage of a commissioned officer for three or four weeks. The United States Military Academy (USMA), also known metonymically as West Point or simply as Army, is a United States service academy in West Point, New York.It was originally established as a fort, since it sits on strategic high ground overlooking the Hudson River with a scenic view, 50 miles (80 km) north of New York City. Jesus.. Medical students do not do anything on their own authority, and it would be illegal as they are unlicensed. I can't speak for the Air Force, but the Navy certainly does. Sorry, I wrote that on the go from a mobile device, and can't edit it. Other courses attended include the U.S. Army Airborne School, Air Assault School, Combative Level 2, Master Resiliency Trainers Course, Battle Staff Course, First Sergeants Course, and the United States Army Force-Management Course. Fort Sill Oklahoma United States Army NCO Academy Challenge Coin . I wondered how he, as a senior NCO in a highly specialized unit, felt about having cadets around. Warrant Officers are formally addressed as "Mister." It made it very difficult to operate as an NCO under his command. Staff Sergeant Megan Cardone joined the West Point Band in March of 2011. Staff Sergeant Paul Hadwiger, from Kirksville, Missouri, joined the West Point Band in July of 2018. A little background: I received my commission as a 2LT in May 1987 after spending two years in the SMP where I was enrolled as a senior ROTC Cadet (MSIII and MSIV) while serving simultaneously in a National Guard Unit. ). The supervising doctor might ask the medical student to do certain things a doctor would normally do (recommend a prescription, put in sutures, read test or x-ray results), but only with direct physician supervision. A CSM outranks a SPC, but you never see the latter salute the former. This author wrote an excellent piece. (Contracted ROTC cadets are MS III and MS IV, overwhelmingly and predominantly.) A honorific form of address indicating respect but only for officers under the rank of knight. My friend confirmed that Navy Aviation Cadets rated salutes by enlisted personnel, at least they did at that time. As an humorous aside, earlier I mentioned that the junior officers in my reserve unit treated cadets as little more than errand boys. that When in Charge, Be in Charge applies. He graduated with a Master of Music in composition from Bowling Green State University and a Bachelor of Music in composition from the Capital University Conservatory of Music. Now by chance he.be in a billet at some hq and psperwork comes in front of him about ration counts for personnel and what the job description calls for for a 3m Senior Cook requisition.. for his order.. what its called these days) hell be sble to understand better what the job description says. While being true you must also realize there is a need for Commissioned Officers as well as Non Commissioned Officers. You probably dont salute WOs either because you think theyre beneath you as well. Hey brother. I retired ten years ago as an 11B SNCO with 26 years in service and a star on my CIB. Example: In the U.S. Military a Warrant Officer (W-2W-5) are commissioned but are not gentlemen officers. Sergeant First Class Ehrin Anthony joined the West Point Band in August of 2014. U.S. ARMY INSTALLATION MANAGEMENT COMMAND, "We Are the Army's Home - I'm laughing as I remember when our sniper team took out 16 combatants at one road intersection in Falujah, Iraqi's have an average IQ of 70 so they aren't the brightest candle on the cake, lol. Medical students are not in this hierarchy at all except they answer to doctors and do only what a doctor tells them to, under that doctors supervision. Point is that one never knows what lies down the road so I try to treat everyone with respect regardless of their rank or position. A straight up lie from a boy who thinks book smarts makes him am expert in my mos. I spent 3 years as a MSG and never saluted a cadet. Seriously get over yourselves West Point you produce officers like any other university and they are no better or worse than anyone else. He previously served in the 282nd Army Band at Fort Jackson as head light designer and percussionist, performing in the Jazz Combo, Rock Band, and Concert Band. I hope this sheds some light on things. Rrrrr matey, were be that 3rd Lieutenant. Things are changing around you and you're failing to adapt. We are officers in training and when we get a chanve at a leadership role with the guidance of the NCOs it will ensure our success as officers. Technically. Staff Sergeant Taylor also served as a trombone player with the 323d Army Band "Fort Sam's Own" at Fort Sam Houston. Even if that enlisted man is the Sgt Maj of the Army. In respect of ROTC, the R stipulates that only a contracted cadet in ROTC fits the definition I presented. the Armed Forces of the United States (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard), the commissioned corps Is anyone able to give me a solid answer to this question? I was an Air Force Aviation Cadet during the late 1950's. which makes it pretty clear that West Point cadets do, in fact, outrank Army NCOs. My CWO put him in his place and ask what would this cadet' commanding officer would think of his conduct and told him to leave. (Still, there is no need to salute them. The views expressed are those of the authors, and do not reflect the official position of the United States Military Academy, Department of the Army, or Department of Defense. How dare enlisted swine preside over a command position? Why hasn't a single one of you been taught that humility, respect and honor flows both ways but in different fashions? We get people whose ideals are from left field and seem to think the Army is their play ground. That just goes to show that the regular cadets get crapped on and they can't change it. Correction The lugnut comment was in reference to comment 11 from Toga, not the author. Sergeant Major Schlegel earned his Black Belt in Lean Six Sigma (Process Improvement) in 2016, and is actively involved in building the process improvement community at West Point. Treat the Cadets with respect. Of course there is a certain type of officer who fails to get it. Technically. Hope this was brief enough for you or TL:DR? Superior to a mere cunning, lazy enlisted man. As SNCOs think of this as an opportunity to shape the Os of the future. Scott Faithis a veteran of a half-dozen combat deployments and has served in several different Special Operations units over the course of his Army career. The Army has launched an investigation after the unmasking of a semi-anonymous Twitter account the command sergeant major of U.S. Military Academy, West Point, allegedly used to criticize elected officials and former President Donald Trump, an Army official confirmed to the Daily Caller. Enough of my rant! Then, abruptly, he found a substitute and quit the Army to pursue an appointment to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. Cadets and NCOs do not salute one another. NCOs are the backbone of the Army and run the Army day to day (as opposed to commanding it). Command Sergeant Major Fraser military and civilian education include: Basic Leader Course, Advanced Leaders Course, Senior Leaders Course, US Army Drill Sergeant Academy, First Sergeant Course, United States Army Sergeants Major Academy, Garrison Pre-Command Course, Battalion Pre-Command Course, Command Sergeant Major Development Program, Master Resilience Training, HR Plans and Operations Course, Sexual Harassment and Sexual Assault Course, Battle Staff Course, Postal Supervisor, Postal Operations Course, Modern Army Combative Level I and II, Total Army Instructor Course, Equal Opportunity Leader Course, and Combat Lifesaver Course. The West Point Music Research Center is dedicated to understanding and communicating the effects of music through multi-disciplinary research and analysis. Be safe out there, use the "recon by fire" method if probing a road and drop to the ground when a frag is near you, the explosion goes up and away. Cadets were not entitled to receive salutes from enlisted personnel. No Salute should be required or rendered. I respected his rank and expertise, but I detested him otherwise. entitled to the salute.". The Modern War Institute does not screen articles to fit a particular editorial agenda, nor endorse or advocate material that is published. Whoever came up with this interpretation needs to review deeper. "(3) Senior regularly assigned Army Soldier refers (in order of priority) to officers, WOs, cadets, NCOs, specialists, or privates present for duty unless they are ineligible under paragraphs 2-15 or 2-16." The definition is enhanced further by stating Soldiers "present for duty." This should not turn into a them vs us type of debate. So cadets are included in the definition. Through conversations, we get better LT's coming out of ROTC or NCO's newly converted to O grade.. 2LT Eisenhower, he was a 6' 3" tall man who was assigned to our platoon in 1992. Corporal: Sergeant: Platoon Sergeant: Color sergeant: left sleeve only: First Sergeant: Regimental and Battalion Sergeant Major: Brigade Command Sergeant Major: Lieutenant: Color Lieutenant: Company Commander: Battalion Adjutant: Battalion . Your attitude will get you relegated to a Quonset hut in BFE. We can feel confident we did our hob helping train a. At that . More than likely you are just privileged. West Point Staff Deputy Chief of Staff: Adjutant General (G1) Deputy Chief of Staff: Strategic Plans and Assessment (G5) Chief Information Officer/G6 Deputy Chief of Staff: Operations, Plans, Training, Force Protection, International Affairs and Security Cooperation Inspector General Office of Diversity, Inclusion and Equal Opportunity SHARP Office Serving the Rugged Professional", Survivor Outreach Services | Total Army Sponsorship | Safety, Human Resources | Civilian Expeditionary Workforce, U.S. Army Environmental Command | Assistant Secretary of the Army for Installations, Energy & Environment, HOSPITAL - Keller Army Community Hospital, Military Police and Religous Support Personnel, U.S Army MEDDAC- Keller Army Community Hospital, U.S Army DENTAC- West Point Dental Activity, United States Military Academy at West Point, Assistant Secretary of the Army for Installations, Energy & Environment. Major Rusty A.. And make it quick Lieutenant. Every single SNCO I've come in contact with in ROTC has developed me as an Officer. Prior to joining the band, Master Sergeant Lane served as head audio engineer at Grammy Award-winning Sono Luminus, a record label in Northern Virginia specializing in classical and jazz music. I really liked the story and learned something as well having been a former SMP Cadet before I commissioned. I respect them all but I just wonder what makes them "Elite" as you say? They are TDY for a few weeks therefore their authority only extends to West Point. What is the TO&E and where is the cadet slotted? (2) If the commander of a headquarters and headquarters element dies, becomes disabled, retires, is reassigned, or is temporarily absent, the senior regularly assigned Army Soldier of the particular headquarters and headquarters element who performs duties within the element will assume command. From the enlisted perspective, while drilling with my Guard unit, there was confusion as to where exactly Cadets fit in to the scheme of things. I never saluted another LT after that as an LT. Cadets are never saluted. If you're not an Infantry Officer then to us you're an NPC because you lack skills and experience. This regulation shows that cadets rank after commissioned and warrant officers, but before NCOs. In 2012, he was awarded a Master of Public Administration from John Jay College in New York, New York, with a concentration in human resources management, and is a member of the Adjutant General Corps Regimental Association. A wise cadet will be mindful of their position. Nurses don't outrank med students or vice-versa. I think not. They dont commission until CW2 but I guess they dont really count as Officers either. I the DC power device safe from accidental shock. After enlisting in the US Army in 1984 as a Field Artillery surveyor, Master Sergeant (Promotable) Jeffrey Morris found his way to the Cyber Branch via the Air Force Institute of Technology in Ohio, earning a PhD in Systems Engineering and a follow-on assignment as the Sergeant Major of the Army Cyber Institute at West Point. Elite only in their mind. *This post originally appeard The Havok Journal*, U.S. Army photo by: Mike Strasser/ USMA Public Affairs, Scott Faithis a veteran of a half-dozen combat deployments and has served in several different Special Operations units over the course of his Army career. Payback is one reason to avoid it. United States Forces Iraq (USF-I), J-7, n Chief, Engineering Plans and Services Yuma, AZ So you are always busy and have something to do. So I suppose we dont salute appointed Officers either? Or a sergeant major for that matter. The first three months were preflight training at Lackland AFB where we were taught basic military skills such as customs and courtesies, UCMJ, drill, Air Force history, parachute training, confidence course, and firearms training. -If you are a Soldier and you are still carrying around the trash attitude of the "good ole' days", it is most likely time for you to go. Sergeant Major MaryKay Messenger is a native of Newburgh, New York, and a well-known soloist throughout the Hudson Valley region, performing classical, Broadway, jazz, and popular music. You are absolutely wrong. the leadership essentially passed off their job.. but i ythink it is good these future officers learn from those entrusted to prepare the sustenance.. instead of those that havent actually been in thr kitchen for a couple years. We're also the one demographic that gives the socialist/communists nightmares because they know they can't take us head on in any manner so they go through the younger people to reach their aims. Don't assume a damn thing, if a young NCO or Soldier tells you he "thinks" the vehicle is ready or has a full tank of fuel, hand him a long stick, send him back to the Motor Pool, have him put the stick into the fuel tank and bring back said stick with fuel on it, that way both of you will now KNOW that the vehicle is fueled. The platoon sergeant major, and his cavalry counterpart, the troop sergeant major, were part of a project giving experienced non-commissioned officers command of units ( platoons and troops) formerly reserved for commissioned officers. Ive been on both sides of the fence. I am an honorably discharged Veteran of the active Army. Upon completion of preflight we went to flight school. of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the commissioned corps of the Public Health Service Does the cadet have offiCial orders? DeCA, West Point Commissary adjust . And yes the officer corps views your spouse as just a "wife.". While in Iraq in 2003-04 we got a batch of 12 west pointer kids and more than half were momma's boys and short of a huge shift in their personality and ideals, they're too far gone in the head to be respectable leaders. 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His awards and decorations include the Legion of Merit (1OLC) Bronze Star Medal, the Defense Meritorious Service Medal, Meritorious Service Medal (3 OLC), Army Commendation Medal (4 OLC), Army Achievement Medal (2 OLC), Meritorious Unit Commendation, Good Conduct Medal (8th Award), National Defense Service Medal (2nd Award), Iraqi Campaign Medal, Afghan Campaign Medal with Campaign Star, Inherent Resolve Campaign Medal, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Noncommissioned Officers Professional Development Ribbon with numeral 5, Army Service Ribbon, Overseas Service Ribbon, Parachutist Badge, Air Assault Badge, and Drill Sergeant Badge. They act only under the auspices of their supervising physician. No, they won't deploy in that position, but they can and do attend annual training and NTC rotations and can act as Platoon Leader. Period. I too am an honorably discharged Army Vet from an Army family. I would argue that the NCO/CO rivalries have started as a result of more modern times as compared to past wars and generations and honestly it should stop. Oops! Both have an option for Cadets to be apart of a simultaneous membership program. I was wondering if I would have to make mention of the fact that until they are COMMISSIONED Officers, they will remain nothing more than a glorified E-5 NCO pay scale while in USMA. Her accolades include a Grammy Award for "Best Engineered Album - Classical," engineering and mastering credits on multiple Grammy-nominated albums, an "Award of Excellence" from the Audio Engineering High Resolution Recording Competition, and a Downbeat Award for "Best Engineering for a Live Recording." CSM Craven has also earned the German, Chilean, and Australian Parachutist badges and is a member of the Prestigious Sergeant Audie Murphy Club. United States Army Sergeant Major Academy 2003 Class 53 . Command Sergeant Major Fraser has a daughter, Talia. . After just two years of military service, Poe attained the rank of Sergeant Major for Artillery, the highest enlisted rank open to him. Good Grunts care less for their next promotion beyond making sure our records are correct. Master Sergeant Lane's professional affiliations include membership with the Audio Engineering Society and voting membership with The Recording Academy (Producers and Engineers Wing). We want to mold a new Officer to become a great leader we can always remember but there's a limit to what we're willing to do. Other than those few, I feel as though the future is bright. Normal members of the medical team fall within a strict hierarchy (just like rank). If you think a fellow West Point graduate is a great leader, see how she/he behaves after having a soldier vaporized by an RPG in front of him. Great investment. It was priceless to see the look of surprise on my former XOs face when I walked into my old unit on a drill weekend. We are all us. 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