A Further Examination: Sue Klebolds case study of her son, Dylan Klebold, Trauma and Suicide within Law Enforcement, Mental Health and Mass Murders: The Connection between Trauma and School Shootings, Mental Health Treatment in Correctional Facilities, Forensic Behavior Analysis: Self Care in the CJ Field, Trauma in Female Juvenile Inmates and Delinquents. You unterstand. Posted 3 years ago The Klebolds attorney, Gary Lozow, told The Denver Post the Klebolds had no plans to grant any other interviews. On April 20, 1999, two teenage gunmen kill 13 people in a shooting spree at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, south of Denver. Tom seemed in complete denial. On April 20, 1999, when Sue Klebold heard about a shooting incident at Columbine High School, her thoughts immediately turned to her 17-year-old son, Dylan, who was a senior there. Parents are not automatically responsible for the behavior of their teenage children. Klebold and Harris were in a juvenile diversion program for breaking into a van and stealing tools and other items in January 1998. Here, let me get your coats for you. I think that even I have sustained some slight rewiring from that, though not anywhere *near* to the extent of my brother's. According to a report in the Denver Rocky Mountain News, the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office was supplied with evidence a year ago that "Eric . This page is focused on the tragedy as well as its perpetrators so we can try to better understand the psychology and motives behind this horrific event. These are all great examples of Tom's relationship with Dylan. We've never left. ERIC AND DYLAN 4 LIFE! He has always been excessively cruel to animals (he even shot and killed his own dog because it barked), obsessed with weapons, "charmingly" manipulative of adults, a pathological liar, disdainful of other people and abusive to them and VERY quick to anger. He overslept and missed a class and was sleeping when I got home. (The OP was looking for books on personality mirroring and other techniques sociopaths use). Eric Harris was beyond needing a therapist. ", Dylan: (talks about how his parents taught him to be independent and self-reliant) "I appreciate that.". Without advertising income, we can't keep making this site awesome for you. This week, one of them, Sue Klebold mother of shooter Dylan Klebold - breaks the silence with ABC's Diane Sawyer. Haven't most of you been able to conceal your homosexuality from your family for a number of years? I want you to have that fly CD. As the mother of Columbine High School shooter Dylan Klebold prepares to speak out in her first interview since the gruesome 1999 shooting massacre, a survivor of the attacks has . Psycrotrenic, charter member of the International Reb&Vodka fan club. I remember Oprah had teachers and students from Columbine on her show within a month of the event. He was afraid Dylan might be involved. . The big trifecta of psychopathology. Psychiatry has long attacked outsiders of all kinds, including gays, while not saying a word about society. Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . Dylan and Robyn had fun. [quote]He had been in a gifted child program, and you'd think they'd have some type of monitoring since kids who are that advanced frequently have problems. We monitored what movies our boys could see, and put them to bed with stories and prayers and hugs (p. 61). By his junior and senior years, Dylans parents knew something was wrong. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold was the deadliest high school shooting in U.S. history, . The world was shocked and sickened on April 20, 1991, when crazed students Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, slaughtered 12 students and one teacher at Colorado's Columbine High School. It's about a half an hour before our little judgment day. I think those that readily (and outrightly) blame the parents are inclined to do so as to perpetuate some aspect of control, otherwise the shear nature of the case becomes too frightening. Has anybody ever agreed with you about that, r104? I'm with VoTN on this one. Harris's father erroneously stated that his son was "a member of what they call the Trenchcoat Mafia" in a 9-1-1 call he made on April 20, 1999. Can you imagine having one of those monsters as your brother? Dang, I'm unemployed and I wanted to watch today's Oprah about Columbine. What kind of parent lets their kid have a swastika prominently displayed in their room (as just one of many, many signs that their offspring had problems)? They opened fire on students and teachers at Columbine High School in Columbine, Colorado, on the Nazi leader's birthday in 1999, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 23 people before taking their own lives. A 'Gentle Boy,' His Parents Told Investigators, Klebold Was Enrolled in an Elementary School Program for High Intellectual Potential Students. LITTLETON, Colo. Just 15 people attended the funeral of Columbine High School killer Dylan Klebold on Saturday two ministers, eleven mourners and two anguished parents wondering where they'd gone . Just as the son's evil made people go back and re-evaluate his dad, discovering examples like the time Poppy sabotaged his opponent's sail boat the night before the race; one wonders if one should investigate more closely the dealings of the Harrises. It was very easy to read despite being a difficult topic. 18 year old son of Wayne Nelson Harris and Katherine (Kathy) Ann [Pool] Harris. Planning? Sue (as both she and her son share the same surname, Im going to refer to them by their first names for the sake of clarity) begins by emphasizing that she and her husband, Tom, truly had no idea what Dylan was planning. No scientist knows this absolutely. Sue Klebold's son was one of the shooters in a mass killing at Columbine High School 19 years ago. His mom was trying to find the best fit for him, but I suspect it ended up being more difficult for him), and both enjoyed violent video games. Dylan Klebold was interviewed inside the Columbine libary on January 30th, 1998. That doesn't mean that it's always successful. We had to get up at 4:00 AM to be there by 6:00. He had been in a gifted child program, and you'd think they'd have some type of monitoring since kids who are that advanced frequently have problems. (21 at the time). Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the gunman, had been bullied for several years prior to the massacre. If anything, they seemed to hate everyone equally. in CJ 725, Tagged: columbine, mass murderer, mental illness, school shootings. Making intentions known ahead of time? There are several bags on the floor, including a large maroon one. And society does not want to deal with real problems, so it easier to label people, and just forget about the whole thing. Did Harris or Klebold have any siblings? Ken Caryl Middle, where he met Dylan Klebold. Dylan was remembered as a Cub Scout who attended church with his family. His parents raised their two boys as many others did, following that close-knit, suburban family model (p. 62). VOTN, they used to think blood-letting and reading the bumps on people's head was science, too. - You're all over this shit aren't ya? German-American restaurant owner: "You vill not be a mass murderer!" . Though posthumous diagnosis isnt possible, that Dylan was seriously depressed is not up for debate (p. 160), and his behaviors might have also fit the criteria for other diagnoses such as avoidant personality disorder, schizotypal personality disorder, and/or borderline personality disorder. But a new book, x93Columbine,x94 by Dave Cullen, reviews every bit of evidence about the shooting short of the parentsx92 firsthand accounts x97 25,000 pages of documents, including videotapes and journals of the killers x97 all of which point to the same chilling conclusion as the Carneal depositions: it is entirely possible for x93goodx94 parents to raise a murderer. I also agree with R7. I encourage you to study the footage and reach out to others in the comments. It's always about management. For happy, easy-to-raise, and successful kids like him, it was easy to fly under their parents radar precisely because they were the shiny pennies, hiding the terrible pain they were in from their parents as capably as they did everything else (p. 65). Tom's surgery was today. Dylan Klebold was suicidal for several years before Columbine. It is actually a lot of conformist bunk to serve the status quo. Sue suggests that for someone as sensitive to humiliation and loss of control as Dylan, these types of events may have made a big influence on him, and created a bond between the boys. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. None of us knows exactly how the brain works. Mrs. Klebold had her hair done the day after the shooting. Sunday, April 25, 1999; Page A8. Yes, it's really terrible when there is the free-flow of information and ideas, isn't it? So we're back to Pavlov and Skinner. Goodbye. Outside Dylans journals, most of the information Sue got about Dylans frame of mind for the shootings came from a series of videotapes he and Eric had secretly made together. I guess it's my generation. And although there was never anything we could do to put him away, so to speak, before he hurt someone, my mother would *never* claim in an aftermath that she had no idea of his mental state or his comings and goings or that she didn't know what made him that way. As a teen, Dylans aversion to embarrassment became more severe, his self-consciousness more pointed. That's why Dylan got one for Christmas 99, it was Tom's way of finding something to bond with with Dylan. With these many, many factors in mind, I turn to A Mothers Reckoning. I've always felt sorry for Dylan, who seemed so lost and depressed. [] Asking why only makes us feel hopeless. "Mrs. Klebold had her hair done the day after the shooting". Both were from Columbus, Ohio and went to Ohio State University. And now she won't show it. If a kid is screaming endlessy, you remove the child from the area. Klebold and Dylan's father, Tom, endured not only . She has spent the last 15 years excavating every detail of her family life, and trying to understand the crucial intersection . Even still, he seemed happy and had a handful of close friends. however, in her book, sue shared a diary entry she wrote of an incident in the months before the massacre: 1/11/99 This long, hard day is over. Sociopaths are born, but people who remain sociopaths as they age: either missed puberty; or had bad parents. School officials, law enforcement, and the adult community learned a lot after Columbine and are doing a better job of detecting trouble. [quote]None of us knows exactly how the brain works. 9-11-1981 -- 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron (21 at the time). Looking back on the textbooks suggested traits of school shooters, weve already seen above how Dylan does actually map onto many of them. It wasnt accepted.. "Hey, Sci-fi-tologist, fuck off with your anti-psychology bullshit". I didnt hear it.. They are particularly good at it. Attacks seem planned in advance, with the shooter expecting to be killed or planning to commit suicide in conjunction with the attack. Just three days before the shooting, he went to prom with a friend. Eric, on the other hand, was a psychopath, Cullen concludes, and he spends 400 pages convincingly making his case. Real estate records indicate they bought their 10-acre plot in 1990 for $65,000. Everyone ones there to be one systemic cause, one thing that failed, to point to and say "there, that's why this happened." I suppose it's ok to let children scream in restaurants and theaters as well? its hard to take anything a grieving parents says objectively and we can of course have compassionate understanding for that but also realise it may differ from the reality of the situation, which must be painful. . The term "psychopath" was in academic use by the early 1910s, and the definitive work on psychopathy was published in 1941. ", Dylan: (sticks his face in the camera) "Goodbye. The second of the Columbine killers, Dylan Klebold was a "born genius" who, despite a sensitive disposition, experienced explosions of rage (most often brought on by failure or humiliation,) suicidal tendencies, a disdain for the "zombie"-like human race, and a suggestibility upon which the psychopathic . "They believe that what they call the "toxic culture" of the school the worship of jocks and the tolerance of bullying is the primary force that set Dylan off. Sorry if I can't be interested in something without arousing your ire. r54 is right. Under different circumstances it would've been a lot different. People need to understand this could have happened to them, he said. You teach people to manage their condition. OP is an idiot, laying the whole thing at the parents' door. (They said no.) What happened isn't their fault. Dylan Klebold along with his friend, Eric Harris, committed the Columbine High School massacre 17 years ago. Some psychopaths are obsessed with money or power, but when you combine psychopathy with sadism, you get an Eric Harris. . multiple newspapers and media outlets in the days after reported dylan and his father having the kind of relationship where, when dylan would come home from school, they would share a snack and read the sports section of the newspaper together. And even then we may never uncover the truth. Eric . Ericx92s parents, too, did what parents do. ", [quote]Eric: "Morris, Nate, if you guys live, I want you guys to have whatever you want from my room and the computer room.". New York: Crown. [quote]No, they hated the gay boys almost as much as they hated the jocks. 6. Sue provides details that help us address some of the other considerations as well. Dylan Klebold, along with Eric Harris, shot and killed 13 people and injured 20 at Columbine High School on April 20, 1999. . GOLDEN, Colo. (AP) _ Less than three months before his deadly rampage at Columbine High School, Dylan Klebold was described by a probation officer as intelligent and capable of making any dream happen, according to juvenile records made public Friday. Denver area Jews, meanwhile, have expressed discomfort at the emphasis being paid to Klebold's alleged Jewishness. As she says, The rest of the world could explain away what he had done: either he was born evil a bad seed or hed been raised without moral guidance. But Sue and her husband didnt know what the signs they were seeing meant. Getty, AP, AP, AFP/Getty. Dylan, Cullen writes, was depressed. 5 feet 6.5 inches tall, 135-140 pounds. How do you teach someone to have emotions or empathy? we only know so much and there have probably been incidents we dont know about. If there is a hell, they are there, burning. He was kind, gentle, smart, and happy. From many angles, Dylan was the average kid any parent would want. You teach them to recognize triggers that exacerbate symptoms. I still think it's easy to place blame on the parents within the context of what happened, but tons of kids are little miscreant assholes who commit petty shit like Eric & Dylan were doing. If I didn't know that I would have done the same. Klebold was depressed and fell under Harris's influence. "He got his satisfaction by dominating." COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL massacre - WikiVidi Documentary. I knew it wasnt nearly so simple (p. 146). It wasnt deemed something that needed further attention. COLUMBINE, pisode 3 : l'impact sur la socit, 3. (talks about his mother being thoughtful, bringing him candy and Slim Jims) "I really am sorry about all this. That doesn't make them monsters. He was steady enough on his feet to run, but not to stop himself from losing balance and falling, which he did, forehead-first right into the metal bed frame. Tom Klebold said they hope to understand someday why the shooting happened. Klebold's parents, Thomas and Susan, lived in a sprawling, secluded house on a dirt road. [quote]Dang, I'm unemployed and I wanted to watch today's Oprah about Columbine. The couple said they felt under siege after the shooting and never had a chance to grieve for their son. OSHKOSH, Wis. (WBAY) - A special event was held in Oshkosh Tuesday afternoon, where the mother Dylan Klebold, one of the two gunmen responsible for the Columbine High School shootings in Colorado . Bedwetting, firesetting and cruelty to animals. Spelling aside, Eric Harris had turned 18 about a week prior. Not only had Dylan experienced bullying in school, his school fit some of the factors that meant it was most at risk for a shooting by ignoring certain behaviors and otherwise unevenly enforcing the rules. Dave Cullen, in a radio interview that I've been listening to, is very quick to point out that psychopathy doesn't equate automatically with murder. When it came to intervention, these people had no idea what they should have been doing. The oblivious parents in Target or sitting inside their houses listening to their kids having a meltdown and completely ignoring it. Few more places I can't think of now. The two would . . Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the two shooters at Columbine High School in 1999 who killed 15 people before ending their own lives, a tragedy that saddened and galvanized the nation. Agreed that Klebold's parents seem like total cunts, delusional in their whiny victim mentality. I'm glad Oprah isn't going to help this man promote his book. I believe it was either a sibling or playmates. At approximately 11:19 a.m., Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, dressed in trench coats, began shooting fellow students outside Columbine High School, located in a suburb south of Denver. Weren't they in a small group of rebellious kids? They have grown up to be (somewhat) upstanding members of society, but I don't see how it is so easy to go from knowing your kid is making crank calls and setting off amateur pipe bombs to seeing him as a psychopathic murderer. Sorry. Hey, Sci-fi-tologist, fuck off with your anti-psychology bullshit. His father Wayne was a U.S. Air Force transport pilot . Virginia Tech. So he called me and offered to go to the school in hopes of negotiating with Dylan. There was a documentary on Netflix or somewhere in which she t. We've hardly seen him & attempts to engage him have been futile. A place to discuss the massacre that took place at Columbine High School in Littleton, CO on April 20th, 1999. I read a book about young doctors and they were discussing whether you can teach compassion. There are a lot more R&V followers out there than you would think. I read recently that neither set of parents ever spoke publicly or to the media. My mom and I have always thought that my brother is one "snap" away from ending up hurting someone and/or in jail. Jefferson County Public Schools officials have consistently denied that bullying was tolerated or that athletes received special treatment. Ignore them. You can't learn to feel if you don't. In this difficult, jarring talk, Klebold explores the intersection between mental health and violence . My parents didn't know anything I did, didn't care,and were happy if I stayed invisible. In them, its obvious to see how his anger and rage turned from being directed toward himself to directed toward others. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most serial killers/mass murderers had excessive discipline rather than lenient upbringings. The interview is set to air on "20/20" this Friday, coinciding with . But they confess that in the main, they have no explanation. Wayne & Kathy Harris' son is widely seen as the .

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